"The Reality of Islam"
I'm a Sam Harris fan boy. I admit it. While this dynamic is not a good thing (as being a fan of anything can tend to cloud your critical engines) I rarely read an author who I so absolutely agree with, in both content and execution.
So, this being 9/11, I figure a link to an Harris article concerning the dangers of the Islamic faith is beyond appropriate.
Here's a taste:
"The idea that Islam is a “peaceful religion hijacked by extremists” is a dangerous fantasy—and it is now a particularly dangerous fantasy for Muslims to indulge. It is not at all clear how we should proceed in our dialogue with the Muslim world, but deluding ourselves with euphemisms is not the answer. It now appears to be a truism in foreign policy circles that real reform in the Muslim world cannot be imposed from the outside. But it is important to recognize why this is so—it is so because the Muslim world is utterly deranged by its religious tribalism. In confronting the religious literalism and ignorance of the Muslim world, we must appreciate how terrifyingly isolated Muslims have become in intellectual terms. The problem is especially acute in the Arab world. Consider: According to the United Nations’ Arab Human Development Reports, less than 2% of Arabs have access to the Internet. Arabs represent 5% of the world’s population and yet produce only 1% of the world’s books, most of them religious. In fact, Spain translates more books into Spanish each year than the entire Arab world has translated into Arabic since the ninth century."
and the whole article here:
Link
So, this being 9/11, I figure a link to an Harris article concerning the dangers of the Islamic faith is beyond appropriate.
Here's a taste:
"The idea that Islam is a “peaceful religion hijacked by extremists” is a dangerous fantasy—and it is now a particularly dangerous fantasy for Muslims to indulge. It is not at all clear how we should proceed in our dialogue with the Muslim world, but deluding ourselves with euphemisms is not the answer. It now appears to be a truism in foreign policy circles that real reform in the Muslim world cannot be imposed from the outside. But it is important to recognize why this is so—it is so because the Muslim world is utterly deranged by its religious tribalism. In confronting the religious literalism and ignorance of the Muslim world, we must appreciate how terrifyingly isolated Muslims have become in intellectual terms. The problem is especially acute in the Arab world. Consider: According to the United Nations’ Arab Human Development Reports, less than 2% of Arabs have access to the Internet. Arabs represent 5% of the world’s population and yet produce only 1% of the world’s books, most of them religious. In fact, Spain translates more books into Spanish each year than the entire Arab world has translated into Arabic since the ninth century."
and the whole article here:
Link
9 Comments:
This post is appropriate everyday. Everyday this should be mankind's top priority.
Islam is stuck in the 7th century. It needs to evolve. A 'New Koran" needs published. Islam is so far behind the rest of the world it has no 'Pope' that can say the buck stops here. Islam and all its fans must evolve or they will be eradicated.
Sam Harris shouldn't be surprised by the numbers... Islam has tried to destroy every book ever written, but their Koran. They burned the great libraries of Alexandria (a huge set back for mankind we had to re-learn and re-discover centuries of knowledge)
Sam says reform cant be imposed by external forces but I remind you that the Crusades did just that.
Only the crusades stopped them..... I'm not trying to convert you to Christianity. I'm just giving one example of Islam's 1000 year old jihad by sword.
Why dont we see movies that show terrorist as the Bad guys?
Why dont you sing songs condemning Al Queda?
You all condemn the USA and Bush... Les can blab about George W ...big fuck... both are easy targets. The 1st admendment protects Les. Try singing about reality. The real enemy is radical Islam. Why dont you tour the Mid East and preach the truth? save these lost people?
Chicken shits!
.....and "anonymous" wouldn't be considered chicken shit ?
Kudos Shepdog!
Well, the Crusades "tried" to stop Islam, they obviously didn't. I believe Harris point concerning external pressure is a good one, as the entrenched dogma of Faith based religions (all of them by the way, Christianity being a chief contender) create a rather unyielding world view for the people that subscribe to them. Just try making a fundamentalist Christian believe that the Bible is not the literal word of God.
I think most thinking people would be cautious of your use of the term "terrorist". Perhaps your question may have more weight if you simply rephrased it: "Why don't we see movies that show more faith based religions as the bad guys." Now were talking! Sounds like a good film to me!
"Why don't you sing songs condemning Al Queda?" I do actually. And I may add that my anti-religious/faith diatribes on this site are not exactly in favor of Islam? I'm not very shy when asked to express my opinions concerning the banality/idiocy of Faith. Perhaps your barking up the wrong tree?
Bush. Easy target? That's not my fault. I condemn Bush because he's managed to obscenely mismanage his "War on Terror". I condemn him because his justifications lack credibility (I believe his administrations affiliations with Saudis/Hailiburton/Blackwater etc etc tarnish his credibility dramatically) I condemn him because he is absolutely incapable of fighting Islam, because he to is also hypnotized by the very same faith based thinking that is fueling Islam. I'm not comfortable with the leader of the free world believing in the Tooth Fairy. That alone is worthy of my condemnation.
I agree with you 100% that "Radical" Islam (I'd just say Islam actually) is a real enemy. Im comfortable saying that while our foreign policies certainly haven't helped much, it's the ugly hands of religion that flew those planes into the World Trade Center.
I am hostile towards Democrats and many liberals for their unwillingness to call Islam to task. Hell I'm hostile towards every major political party in the USA for that very reason.
I'm not sure I'd be very good at "saving these lost people", (whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean). But thank you for thinking of me and my band for the job.
Now Doesn't Ann Coulters laundry need washing? You better hurry along....
Yeah, tried to stop...the bastards are still waring!
All of them?
Current times Islam is the only one killing the infidels! the rest of the population is cool with religious freedom.
No again thats the problem. Focus in a little more. By grouping the throat cutters along with Father Ted. you distract the viewer away from danger. And when the viewer is under attack its not a good time to be distracted.
I think.
Save those lost people? You know? its like...save the planet.
Our elected officials are nothing more than lobbyist paying back their student loans...
Ann goes buff!
Hmm.. the old "Lesser of two evils" argument huh.
Im not sure one can parse it down so simply, but I see your point. Sure one can argue that Christianity has revised their holy book to accommodate a more Humanist stance, one can also argue that this modification is a direct result of a culture demanding this change. End of the day, both relgions are rotten for the same reasons, one of them is just (recently at least) more egregious.
But I can see where your going. Is Christianity "worse" than Islam? Depends on who you ask. Is death "worse or better" than a sexually abused child? They all seem to belong perfectly together to me. Having to choose between suicide bombers and Father Ted is a political convenience that I don't think we can afford any longer. Currently we are fighting the wrong enemy.
What is the root of the problem with Islam? The root it shares with many?
Faith.
"both relgions are rotten for the same reasons, one of them is just (recently at least) more egregious."
That flagrant difference is jihad on us.
"What is the root of the problem with Islam? The root it shares with many? Faith."
Faith?
Do you Love anything?
Prove it.
Or is life just a simple program?
Sorry, Im not sure I understand your questions?
So your suggesting that a person cannot love anything if he or she does not subscribe to the concept of Religious faith?
That's a terribly bold assumption to make. Funny, maybe it's just my experience, but that sure sounds like something a Muslim or a Christian would assume. I hear it all the time.
Nope, I don't have faith in the tooth fairy. That kind of faith is childish, asinine and ruinous.
If you haven't understood my point that faith is the utterly foolish commonality of the worlds major religions by now, well then... Lets just say Id rather be playing Warcraft than explaining myself over and over to some anonymous online vapor.
Or perhaps I'm not expressing myself clearly? If your truly interested in my stance then I'd say read "The End of Faith" by Sam Harris, as he presents the same argument much more eloquently.
And sorry pal, Im not terribly interested in "proving" anything to you concerning my private life. Nice try though. But if it makes you feel better to call me a robot (life is just a simple program yes?) incapable of love then by all means feel free to paint that picture! Tell a friend even!
But a word of warning. Loveless, Atheists, Jihad Robots are everywhere buddy. And we got your fucking number!
Muaaahhhaaaaaaaaaa.
Thanks for chatting
Adam
Adam, I come in peace...searching for understanding.
My point is...
Faith is when you believe in something even when there is no proof that it actually exist. Love is a good example. we dont need to proof to know when we Love. This is what separates us from the robots.
So I dont think the root of Islam problem is Faith. We all have faith. I think Islam problem is LMS, Little man syndrome. They seem to feel the need to prove their place on the planet by mass murder. This most recent Islamic Revolution started when Jimmy Carter failed to support the Shaw which allowed Kohmenie to come to power. Islam was evolving, the Imams where happy the suits where happy. Til Jimmy with no understanding of history came along and said hey the west is the worst. You guys should kill or convert us all. (hey that could be a name of a Metallica come back album)
Hindsight is 20/20 and it is easy for us to sit here in 2007 and say religion is foolish. But there was a time when your average musician truly had no idea how the sun rose everyday. So he had a choice,
a. The sun god did it,
b. the president did it or
c. none of the above.
Well if you chose c, you died. and a lot of people did die. And that is what Islam is doing today. Submit to Islam or die. I dont think any other religion today is offering a deal like that. And I also think that this is where you fail to draw a line. on one side you have a religion of death on the other you have mankind. Atheist and all.
I may be anonymous to you but my name is Neo Miles.
Hi Miles.
Ok. Quickly. I don't want to prattle on. But this is interesting stuff..at least to me.
The belief of "love" is a fairly abstract and subjective topic. When someone is "in love" they do not attribute their feelings to an authoritative text. When someone is in love they do not believe that someone else, who says that they are also in love, is in fact 100% wrong, and that this "wrongness" is punishable by death. In fact, love is many things to many people, it's definition is always in a state of flux.
Popular Religious faith is a very different thing. It's based on dogma, it is textual and exclusionary by it's very nature. One can choose to cherry pick what parts of these text to read (moderate Christians are comfortable quoting the more humanistic aspects of Christs teachings, and omitting the more unsavory commands of their God) or one can not (Fundamentalist believe these texts to be literal truths), either way the "faithful" are willingly submitting their intellects to these texts and traditions.
Sorry. You cant believe in the Tooth Fairy" just a little bit." This is a sober fact that religious moderates often conveniently overlook.
Having said that. Check this out. Honest. Read it.
http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/chapter-one/
I am no fan of Islam. As far as religions go I believe it to be at the top of the list in terms of it's potential to do the most damage to the most people. It's lack of humanistic revision is beyond troubling, it's clearly dangerous. Something must be done.
But I maintain that even if we curb the troublesome aspects of this particular faith we are still on a road to ruin at the hands of every other faith. I believe that history has proven me correct. One need only look at the epidemic of child molestation cases running rampant in the Catholic Church or simply examine the fate of the native poulation of South America at the hands of the faithful, or mildly examine the Christain policies that keep birth control out of AIDS infested Africa, to see that faith based religion, in all of its guises, is a road to our ruin.
So, Im with you concerning the Jihadists. Lets tackle that problem first. Fine with me. But, while it seems you are comfortable in doing so, I'm not letting any of these faithful fuckers off the hook.
Adam
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